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April 5th 2003, 14:27 CEST by Neale

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#114 by VeeSPIKE
2003-04-07 06:40:33
More likely - they interviewed people until they heard what they wanted to hear, and did not bother to check the veracity of their statements.

The media doesn't educate, it sensationalizes. That's why there's no learning curve, just repeated bouts of gross stupidity. Bailey
#115 by VeeSPIKE
2003-04-07 06:42:22
#114 in response to #100 (although I do not know why I bothered.)

The media doesn't educate, it sensationalizes. That's why there's no learning curve, just repeated bouts of gross stupidity. Bailey
#116 by Dethstryk
2003-04-07 08:01:31
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#107 The_Joker
What did you do, Google on Pim Fortuyn? Do you know who he is?

How the hell do you follow the news and *not* know who the guy is?

"And I'm saying without a relationship with God and those strong convictions HE put in me I wouldn't be a 42 year old who hasn't had sex with anyone today."
#117 by None-1a
2003-04-07 08:36:27
#101 by The_Joker
You cannot allow a member nation to openly disregard the UN, and violate many of its rules. You cannot.


They'll be condemned nations for the next 20 years if they start doing that. At this point there aren't many members left that haven't disregarded the UN when it suits them.
#118 by "51|RandoM"
2003-04-07 09:39:12
long time since I visited planetcrap.  Looks the same, 'cept the user base has shrunk into a much more concentrated source of jaded gamers.

If Bush wants the armed services to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, they will.



PC Games industry isn't dying, it is evolving.  Hopefully it doesn't mutate itself into extinction.
#119 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-07 10:04:06
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If Bush wants the armed services to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, they will.


Um, wasn't that the job of the UN weapons inspectors? It would have been cheaper (millions of dollars as opposed to billions of dollars) to have let the UN weapons inspector do their job than have the military go in and try to find WMD (which they still haven't encountered yet).

I'm actually surprised right now how quickly the war has been so far. It's been two and a half weeks and already US forces have gone into Baghdad a few times. Then again, Saddam's military was nearly decimated in the 1991 Persian Gulf War and the 12 years of sanctions made it difficult to buy new equipment or repair old ones (no Iraqis jets flown so far and virtuall all Iraqi armour have been destroyed with ease). As Brigadier General Vincent Brooks said the other day at a press conference the war is "very one-sided."

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#120 by bago
2003-04-07 10:53:39
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A One Sided war has fewer casualties.

The seeming unanimity among poets makes them look suspiciously like a herd of independent minds.
#121 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-07 10:56:28
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For whom?

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#122 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-07 11:15:49
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I was just watching CNN and one thing bothered me about CNN's coverage so far: the news network rarely shows images/videos of injured or dead Iraqis. The even CNN anchor Anderson Brown suddenly cut off the CNN military anaylyst to show a live shot of Red Crescent workers loading burnt Iraqi corpses from the side of a road to a flat-bed pickup truck and then just as quickly stopped showing the video as soon as he realized it wasn't injured men but corpses.

It seems to me that the media tend to sanitize the coverage of the war so far.

Back in 1999 in Borneo, Indonesia, the native Dayak people killed hundreds of Madurese Indonesian immigrants (usually through decapitation), whom the Dayaks claimed have taken away their jobs. The Dayaks took up their old tradition of cannibalizing their defeated victims. The media barely covered the incident although a few Asian newspapers printed pictures of the massacre (WARNING: the link points to VERY graphic photos of mutilated and beheade corpses of massacre victims of the Dayak uprising in 1999).

The media also barely covered the persecution of Christians and ethnic Chinese in Indonesia. Christians and their churches were attack and ethnic Chinese living in Indonesia have been been blamed, much like the Jews of Europe in the past, for their prosperity. Some Asian newspapers showed pictures of Indonesian gangs raping and murdering ethnic Chinese women.

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#123 by The_Joker
2003-04-07 11:26:00
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#109 hehehe, yeah no relation between war and business.

#110 you sound an awful lot like crash.

#116 he's not on the news naymore though.

#119 Like I said from the beginning, this war is like a fight between Schwarzenegger and a handicapped individual with down syndrome.

In other news, Al Sahaf is hilarious.

I think even if they drop a bomb right in front of his nose he'll be like "what bomb? i didn't see any bomb?"

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#124 by deadlock
2003-04-07 11:52:08
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re: al Sahaf...

I'm just waiting for the TV footage in which he categorically denies that coalition forces have entered Baghdad while a GI holds up a 'hello mom' sign behind him...

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#125 by "51|RandoM"
2003-04-07 11:55:26
Well, Eric, I think its probably much harder to get UN Weapons Inspectors to plant WMD's so that you can find them, especially with Iraq watching every move they make.

Much easier to order one of your delta teams to do it for you during a war.  :)
#126 by Xero
2003-04-07 13:15:00
http://novakometa.blogspot.com/
#106 Duality
Sometimes I can't help but feel like i'm some kind of Pim Fortuyn.

So your wang grows out of the back of your head?

Freak.



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#127 by Xero
2003-04-07 13:20:49
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This Pim fellow was pretty interesting. He was an un-closeted, gay far right conservative who apparently polarized a lot of people.

The floggings will continue until morale improves. ~ anonymous
#128 by deadlock
2003-04-07 13:48:27
http://www.deadlocked.org/
can someone please explain why this renders properly in Mozilla, but not in IE6? I've two tables, one which completely fills the browser (width/height="100%") and is basically just a container so that I can center the other - 'main' - table in the browser. But no matter where I put the valign="middle" attribute (ie, in the <tr> or <td> tags of the main table), it refuses to display properly. I've tried it on a few other machines here in the office. Anyone any ideas? I'm guessing it's some shitty IE bug...

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#129 by deadlock
2003-04-07 13:49:59
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Xero:

The "best" thing about the Pim Fortuyn story is that he was assassinated by a left-wing animal rights activist...

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#130 by None-1a
2003-04-07 14:10:03
deadlock try this for the main table, values may need adjusting ya-da ya-da

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#131 by deadlock
2003-04-07 14:18:17
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None-1a:

That was more or less exactly what I was going to do if I couldn't figure out how to do it the first way!

Cheers!

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#132 by Gunp01nt
2003-04-07 14:45:11
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Mank unless Iraq uses them it'll take a while. After all if they are hiding something it's not going to be in the most obvious and/or lest protected areas.


but even so, no trace of the weapons has been found. and if the iraqis were planning on using the weapons, they probably would've brought em with them, don't you think?
as time goes by, it does become more likely that Iraq doesn't have any WMD.

and even when, after the war is over, the military find WMD hidden somewhere, then they still didn't use them, which is what this is all about (remember that it's not JUST about possession of WMD, because the USA has those as well. the whole conflict is about the likeliness of iraq to use WMD against the US or other countries. if the war passes without WMD usage of Iraq, the US morally loses. simple.)

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#133 by Gunp01nt
2003-04-07 14:46:25
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that said, now that the military are there, it's just for the best that they finish the job. relative freedom for the iraqi people will be the only good thing coming out of this war. now that it's started, they'd better finish it.

"You see, house is a feeling that no one can understand really unless you're deep into the vibe of house."
#134 by Gunp01nt
2003-04-07 14:55:43
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joker:
Sometimes I can't help but feel like i'm some kind of Pim Fortuyn.


maar heb je er nog wel zin an?

"You see, house is a feeling that no one can understand really unless you're deep into the vibe of house."
#135 by Whisp
2003-04-07 15:26:09
Ah, here we go.


And a second source, with slightly less information:


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#136 by "Balderama"
2003-04-07 15:40:29
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#124 lol

The middle east is becoming one gigantic chaos.

Also interesting to see how the US and the UN let Sharon pretty much do what he wants.
#137 by "Balderama"
2003-04-07 15:42:46
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#132 I agree with what you wrote.
#138 by Gunp01nt
2003-04-07 15:44:48
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a dubious honour.

"You see, house is a feeling that no one can understand really unless you're deep into the vibe of house."
#139 by "Balderama"
2003-04-07 15:50:03
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#135 Why isn't that on CNN or BBC or other major newssites?
#140 by Matt Perkins
2003-04-07 15:50:44
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To interrupt your regulary schedule arguments about warez and wars:

I'm now the proud owner of...  er, proud father of a "wrinkly, but cute" (as my 5 year old daughter puts it) baby boy, named Cole Benjamin Perkins.  Very tired am I and type like yoda I do when tired I am.

We now continue your regularly scheduled showing of Hedi.

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#141 by mrbloo
2003-04-07 15:55:39
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Congrats.  Two in one week... I hope it's not catching!
#142 by None-1a
2003-04-07 15:59:42
#132 by Gunp01nt
but even so, no trace of the weapons has been found. and if the iraqis were planning on using the weapons, they probably would've brought em with them, don't you think?


Sure but to where and with who? It's most likely the Republican Guard are the one's sitting on any thing they have and they've primely been deep in the cities (also the easiest place to protect). I suspect well start getting reports of things being found or used over the next week or two as fighting dies down and they truly get control of areas in Baghdad  (can't really look if there's still fighting going on).

I don't think use is really required depending on what if any thing is found. Finding stuff destroyed that look like they could have been launch ready or at that point in a few hours would be good enough considering it's possible things where knocked out in the earlier bombings.
#143 by Dethstryk
2003-04-07 16:31:05
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Looks like they may have found an actual storage facility for the weapons, but that story is developing.

Of course, they don't have any WMDs and this is all a plant of the evil, Zionist America. [/sarcasm, fags]

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#144 by Hugin
2003-04-07 16:31:47
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I think your assessment of the moral calculus (as it will be played out in the mainstream international community) of the conflict is incorrect Gunpoint.  If American/UK forces find any significant cashes or chemical or biological weapons, after Saddam and co. insisted they didn't have any, that's going to tip the scales significantly in Bush's favor.  

Whether they get used or not won't be much of a factor, very few people are going to argue "Well, okay, yeah, the Iraqis had the stuff, but they didn't use it, so they probably wouldn't have ever used them, maybe, we think, so the Americans were wrong."
#145 by "Ralack"
2003-04-07 16:37:22
Finding WMD will allow the US-UK alliance to wrongfoot all those who opposed the war.  It will be interesting to see how they capitalize on the opportunity.
#146 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-07 16:47:47
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Congrats!

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#147 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-07 16:49:55
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Here's an article about the hypocrisy of the US using special ops forces in Afghanistan dressed as civilians while complaining about Iraqi soldiers disguised as civilians should be tried as war criminals and treated as "unlawful combatants."

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#148 by Ergo
2003-04-07 16:50:20
Congrats, Matt.

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#149 by Charles
2003-04-07 17:09:02
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I haven't been keeping tabs all that well, who has killed more Coalition forces?  The Americans, or the Iraqis?

Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.  --UncleJeet
#150 by Hugin
2003-04-07 17:12:42
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Congratulations Matt. (And Neale, who I missed before)
#151 by Gunp01nt
2003-04-07 17:17:32
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Whether they get used or not won't be much of a factor, very few people are going to argue "Well, okay, yeah, the Iraqis had the stuff, but they didn't use it, so they probably wouldn't have ever used them, maybe, we think, so the Americans were wrong."


heck, for that matter, 56% of americans don't even care whether Saddam has WMD or not, but that doesn't make it right. I think american public opinion is hardly the only factor that matters here, it's more the credibility of the US and the relationships between the US and the rest of the world.

I just think it's important to remember what this conflict was all about. and although 75% of the american people now support the war, those numbers tend to differ in other countries, where people are still critical and skeptical towards the US government.

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#152 by "Balderama"
2003-04-07 17:19:08
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#147 You mean the US are hypocrits? wow, who would have thought.
#153 by Neale
2003-04-07 17:22:11
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Congratulations Matt :)

(and thanks, Hugin)

You can't derail this train of idiocy, Shadarr. Not even with a big fat cow of logic on the tracks. - Bailey
#154 by Hugin
2003-04-07 17:23:14
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Gunpoint, please reread what I actually wrote.  My post was about how the conflict will be spoken of by the international community, not the American people, how the justification for going in will play in the press and in the UN, not whether or not it was "right".
#155 by Duality
2003-04-07 17:27:09
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yay!  Babies for all!

I'm going to go out and make my own right now!
#156 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-07 17:29:57
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Screenshots of  Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Tides of War and Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Operation Resurrection, on the Xbox and PS2, respectively.

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#157 by "Balderama"
2003-04-07 17:32:01
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What the papers say

This has been a week of serial apologizing in France. (It seemed the closer coalition troops got to Baghdad, the more earnest were the apologies.)

It began on Monday with Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin saying, "Just because we're against this war doesn't mean we want dictatorship to defeat democracy. We are in the democratic camp. The Americans are not enemies."

On Tuesday, Raffarin told his nation's parliament, "It is indispensable to be vigilant against all displays of anti-Americanism, which would be unacceptable."

On Wednesday, his spokesman added, "We have no leniency toward the Iraqi regime. Of course, we want to see Saddam Hussein's regime ended."

Even German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder joined the "old Europe" chorus of those singing a slightly different tune this week. In a speech to the German parliament, he called for "the defeat of the dictatorship" in Iraq, but never mentioned who might actually be doing the "defeating."

Well, Saddam will be defeated and that is what the French and German governments fear most: a free Iraq, grateful to its liberators and its new allies and with no particular need to curry favour with those who made a nice, fat living doing business with Saddam.

This is no longer about freedom fries and boycotts of fine Bordeaux. This is about trade and reconstruction contracts and the future of Saddam's favorite oil company, TotalFinaElf.
#158 by Scott Miller
2003-04-07 17:36:54
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Looks like they just found Iraqi missiles of mass destruction, loaded with chemical weapons.  Heard the report as I was reading this thread.  They found the missiles in a captured palace, if I heard right.

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#159 by deadlock
2003-04-07 17:37:21
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Balderama:

I don't see how any of that equates to 'Old Europe' singing a different tune; Chirac, Villepin and Schroeder were saying more or less the same thing prior to the war. Chirac even made a hilarious comment to the effect he loved America, particularly its junk food, which was, in my opinion, a deliciously (boom-boom) snide bit of French cultural/culinary snobbery.

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#160 by Duality
2003-04-07 17:43:44
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Possible WMDs found.
#161 by "Balderama"
2003-04-07 17:46:13
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Blair seems to be really fucked now.

The contemptuous brushing aside of the UN and the shameless negation of its role as a forum for resolving international disputes has set a dangerous precedent. The world will not easily forget the manner in which the US and Britain sidelined the UN, nor will it forgive the disastrous repercussions."
#162 by "Balderama"
2003-04-07 17:47:56
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#158 Scott Miller commenting on the war. We can now be sure this war will end, when it's done.
#163 by Gunp01nt
2003-04-07 17:48:56
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hugin:
Gunpoint, please reread what I actually wrote.  My post was about how the conflict will be spoken of by the international community, not the American people, how the justification for going in will play in the press and in the UN, not whether or not it was "right".


please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I get the feeling you're trying to say that it doesn't matter who's wrong or right, but who gets the most public support.
My point of view is that facts matter more than public opinion (not just that of the american public but worldwide), especially if the public opinion is ignorantly wrong.

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